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Troy_Hockensmith

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Oval roaster
« on: July 21, 2003, 02:04:12 PM »
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Offline John Knapp

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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2003, 02:29:04 PM »
Could be the knob has been replaced at one time.  I dont ever remember seeing any GRiswold pieces with a flat washer under the screw.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2003, 02:33:18 PM »
The knob looks to be from an old stove door.  Could the roaster be old Wapak?  It doesn't look to be Griswold.  Any pattern numbers which a Griswold piece would have.  I doubt that one could "sandblast" away the TM to the extent it is gone.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2003, 03:22:22 PM »
 My thoughts are on the same line but I would like to add that the underside of the lid doesn' t have basting rings. I assume the "ghost mark" Trademark would be a slant. The picture of the knob leads me to believe there was no grinding marks indicating there was ever a cast handle although that could just be the angle of the pictures. This is one that would be nice if you could touch and feel it. Never seen anything like it before.  
My first thought was this was a copied piece but I couldn't rule out that this isn't a proto type early slant piece. I don't have much to base that on except there seems to be a lot of wear and some pitting on the bottom. The Slant Erie's were dim on many pieces. I still go back to the basting rings/ no PN suspect it is a copy. Sure would like to look at it in person.  
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2003, 03:26:25 PM »
In an old #3  Erie oval roaster that I have there are no basting rings on the lid either.
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Troy_Hockensmith

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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2003, 03:51:35 PM »
Greg,
Does it have a cast handle on the lid? I would guess what they refer to as an applied handle.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2003, 08:41:01 PM »
All Griswold oval roaster covers had handles cast with the piece.  It looks "applied" after the cover was cast but the "application" was on the pattern only and it comes out looking on the piece like it was added on.  No pattern numbers=not Griswold.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2003, 09:27:18 PM »



#3 Griswold oval roaster lid with plain top and no basting rings underneath and marked with 3 and p/n 2628.  Notice the slightly bent handle.  Also see the two "pins" in the second pix where the handles come through.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2003, 09:41:18 PM »
Steve,
I agree with you but have trouble explaining the round handle. I've heard it refered to as "applied". I've also heard it refered to as round and square. What do we call it?
Greg,
Nice piece. I don't think I've seen an ERIE oval roaster before. I guess it stands to reason the basting rings were not on ERIE pieces seeing as the patent date was 2/10/20. Hmmm. I might have to take a road trip and come look at all that cool stuff you have.  
Obviously a Trademark period copy. Wonder why they chose to eliminate the handle and add a knob? Easier, or was it to try and not look like a patent piece? Seems they weren't concerned with the later because they left the ghost mark.  Must not have been many made as you don't see them. Maybe it was an early WAPAK. I hate a mystery.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2003, 09:44:23 PM »
Troy,
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2003, 02:53:58 AM »
My two cents worth is the item pictured never left the Griswold factory with the odd handle on it as a production piece. I hace a re-print of an old Wapak catalog and for what it's worth all of the Wakak pieces that have a top handle have the high hoop style handle.
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Re: Oval roaster
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2003, 04:01:08 AM »
Troy,
There are no ERIE oval roasters.  The photo Greg posted of the cover is a slant/Erie.

In the December, 1955 Griswold "News Letter" they are offering:
"The Mill Room has a supply of small black iron Oval Roasters and Covers on hand that can be bought for scrap as is (as is is underlined) at 7cents per pound.  Any employee interested in purchasing these Roasters may order through Keith Beebe at the store."

I don't know if Griswold made a practice of selling seconds or imperfect pieces that way, or if said roasters were first quality, but, if they did, perhaps the oval roaster in question on ebay was one such piece.  Maybe the handle was broken or not properly formed, was cut off, and the current "stove" handle put on.  Who knows?  I still would guess that oval roaster is not a piece from Griswold without seeing it.

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