Author Topic: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern  (Read 26018 times)

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2005, 01:20:12 AM »
Greg,

It seams you realy dislike Nick. And from what I can gather Nick e-mails people and asks them to end auctions early and sell items to hiim at a fixed price.

I guess what it comes down to is what is a fair price for any item. My dad told me what he figures it takes to make a fair sale. Both partys have to agree that they like the price. The person selling it , and the person buying it.

He told me this on a trip we were taking to see a fellow collectors widow. As you know, many times the spouse of a collector will have no interest in retaining a deceased spouses collection. I asked him if he thought it was rather shady to be taking advantage of poor widows.

He said, look she doesn't want it. If something is worth $400 and I offer her $200 and she is happy with that, what is the prolemb. She might just as easily try and sell it at a garage sale for $50. If she is happy and I am happy, why is that a bad deal?  

So if Nick is happy paying for the pieces and the sellers are happy with what he offers, how is that a bad deal?

It is true that I am unhappy when something I am bidding on gets pulled off of e-bay, but it happens. From what I gather about you Greg you have a nice house, a good wife and some great kids. And you porbibly have more C.I. than one guy really needs. I don't know if getting that bent out of shape at some guy over a piece or two fo C.I. is worth it.

You already have many pieces that most collectors will look their whole life for one they can afford. Why get all bent out of shape if this guy manages to weasel one or two peices out from under you?


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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2005, 08:44:28 AM »
Greg,
It is more than what you write about above.  If we ever see one another, I'll tell you the whole story, but it is not appropriate for me to put it down here.  I've saved all the 'stuff' that the ghost has done and written for future use,  IF necessary, for legal action.
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2005, 08:48:30 AM »
Greg, I must disagree with your accessment of this situation. While it is true that what a person sells their items for is between them and the buyer, however, in this situation, this is an auction. To me, an auction means that all parties should be afforded an equal opportunity to bid and buy should they so desire. In this situation that opportunity is taken away and the auction turns into a charade of where the seller shows the piece and then the buyer excludes all the other prospective bidders, including me. This is not just about Greg not liking it, others don't like it either. I have not voiced my opinion on this subject until now, but silence is acceptance and I do not like it. Just because something is legal or you can get away with it does not make it right.

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2005, 10:21:47 AM »
You can count my vote with Stahl.

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2005, 11:46:42 AM »
Greg L.  Think of it this way.   You go to an estate auction.  Which Ebay is just like.   And an item comes up.   You are just about to bid on it when Nick walks up to the auctioneer and offers him some cash for the item.   And the auctioneer calls  "sold".   You had no chance.  Wouldn't you be pissed!!!!   That is my assessment of this.


I am with Stahl ALL OF THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2005, 01:57:06 PM »
I do agree that it can be disturbing to have an auction end early but you guys are practicaly talking about linching the guy. I understand that what probibly has you guys teed off is some of the rarer pieces like that brass skillet mold than the more common stuff this guy outbid you on.  

We all miss out on deals. It is easier to take when you come up on an yard sale and you see one or two great pieces walking off with some other guy, with a $5 sticker attached.

That happens, but do you get bent out of shape about it, no. The guy selling it was happy with that price, so be it. I can understand how it can be frustrating to have a one of a kind piece snatched away from you. But whatever the seller thinks is fair, is fair.  You can't buy it all, and there are some quite a few thing in life more important than C.I.

Greg comes off as a pretty easygoing fellow. And I just am suprised when you start talking lifetime bans etc... What did this guy do that was so life or death? Maybe he cut you off in traffic, you honk, give him the finger and keep driving.

But maybe you are just using the board to vent. I guess I did vent my frustrations over e-bays customer service awhile back. Rat Bastard e-bay rrrgggleeeee aaargggleee......

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2005, 02:10:35 PM »
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Greg comes off as a pretty easygoing fellow. And I just am suprised when you start talking lifetime bans etc... What did this guy do that was so life or death?
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As I explained above, I can and will not post on this site, what has happened in the past with me and this 'fellow'.  It is not productive and would just set this guy off one more time and believe me the folks that were also on the receiving end of this guy's outrage (including me), sure don't want it to start up again.  

Greg, everyone has their right to state their opinions, but on this one, you don't know the entire story nor have the entire picture of the past.  As some others have voiced above, there are many others that feel the same way, and that is because the know THE WHOLE story.

Let's just say that "slander and libel" are criminal offenses, as well as "forgery" as well as several other things.  

Nuff said on this subject and this person.
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2005, 02:26:43 PM »
Good enough, I didn't mean to get anybody going, it looked to me like you would have left the guy in a bloody pulp if you ran into him in a back alley. It sounded a little harsh for what I heard of the matter, but I don't know the whole deal.
So I will shut my yap.
I see from some of your other posts today that you are having fun in the snow today. And playing with the twins. That is cool and that was what I was saying more than this guy is right or wrong. Don't let you not likeing this guy make you miss out on anything.
Have a good one,

Greg

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2005, 08:21:22 PM »
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I understand that what probibly has you guys teed off is some of the rarer pieces like that brass skillet mold than the more common stuff this guy outbid you on.  

The #13 brass pattern was offered to many people at the St. Louis GCICA (I think it was) and no one jumped on it.  If you look, I posted about the pattern 2 years ago (and pictures) on the first message of this thread.  I could have bought it many times and so could anyone else since 2002 and before.  I dont think anyone is talking about being disappointed in not buying the pattern, its the method and attitude a certain buyer has used in the past that leaves a lot to be desired IMO.  

PS....I'm like ole Scratch.....I still have a nice collection of emails.
Jerry