Griswold Trade marks

[rbtarp]

I have 3 different sizes of block lettered trademarks with the griswold cross. How many sizes are there? and is there just the straight and slanted versions?

[Steve_Stephens]

There is not much uniformity in Griswold trademarks until you get to the small TM of 1939-1957.    The No.5 slant/EPU skillet has a TM that is larger than the 6 and 7 and maybe even some larger sizes.  The No.0 toy skillets have a block TM that I certainly categorize as a "large TM" even though it is smaller than the small TM.  But in every other way it is the same as large "large trademarks".  It just happens to be a smaller version.  I have not measured a bunch of large TM's to see the differences but know they are there.

When looking over a large number of slant and block TM skillets or other pieces you will see a lot of differences in sizes of the trademarks and small differences in the actual print and proportions of the trademark itself.  What is probably the first slant/E No.8 skillet has a strange TM that is different than all others I can think of.  Then there is what I call the "late, large TM" used on the square skillets 21xx p/n's and some No.3 skillets made after the small TM ones.  The proportions and print are different in small but distinct ways from the large TM (block TM) of the 20's and 30's.  TM's are different in small ways on the early and later smooth bottom block TM skillets.   The later ones are more "blocky" in the print than the early ones.  Same for dutch ovens and probably many other pieces.  

The small  TM is very regular in size, print style, and proportions.  An exception would be the small TM on the square toy skillet which is VERY small and the only one like that I can think of.

Griswold was not uniform in the pieces it made.  You will find all sorts of small variations from the earliest ERIE pieces up to the small TM pieces which were much more uniform than earlier pieces.  If one is able to, get together a bunch of what seem like identical Griswold items and compare.  As often as not there will be differences in handles, gate placement, trademarks, etc.  
I hope this answered your question.

Steve

[rbtarp]

Thanks Steve, Boy I got a lot to learn. I buy and sell antiques and collectibles on line and in a mall at the oregon coast I go to a lot of estate sales and Auctions. I have had several Erie Pans and off and on griswolds. I have sold several for $18-$20. I never really researched them. I probably had some real nice ones that I have let slip away. I know I had a few what I thought was salesman samples and a couple were mint. I guess I had better buy a book. or join the wags before garage sale season gets here.

[Roger Barfield]

Man Steve, did you used to work for Griswold?  Your attention to detail is remarkable.  I never even noticed those variations.  You see really well for have those things in your eyes. LOL

[C. Perry Rapier]

Roger, if you think Steves eyes are good now, you ought to have seen him before he got that affliction. He could see a gnat land on a horses ear at 50 paces.


Steve, talking about details, have you ever noticed on Dutch Ovens (griswold) that the tops are different. By different I mean the same kind of top and one will have them two things that stick up and they are right across from each other. They are a big notch. Some of have them and some don't. Does anybody else know what I am talking about? In the blue book on page 65 (2nd edition) you can see the notches to which I am referring. In the picture they are at 3:00 and 9:00 o'clock on the Baster and the Dutch Oven. And then at the bottom they are on the 6 and 13 Dutch Ovens. And then they are not on the number 8 DO lid on the same page. Then on page 66 there are none on any of those tops. Then you turn to page 68 and they are on two of the oval roaster covers but not the top left. I have two 13 DO's. One top has the notches and one does not. I also have 6's and some do and some don't, even though they are alike in every other way. Does anybody what these are and can shed any light on this. Steve you have a great eye for details like this. What do you think? And have you ever noticed this before?

[Roger Barfield]

Perry, I have 1st edition(collectors item), but I can see them plain as day.  Don't have a clue what they are, but I see them.  Some type of reinforcement perhaps?  Now I'm curious.

[Steve_Stephens]

Gary, a book will do you good as well as joining WAGS (and attending the convention if you can make it).  

Details.  I started just buying pans to use but decided to buy all the variations so I might complete a set of matching pans.  One thing led to hundreds of things (I think they are called cast iron cookware pots and pans).  Being one who wanted the best I could find, I would always compare pieces before getting rid of a duplicate.  That way I would begin to notice all the small and interesting differences.  A job offer with Griswold that I accepted... (that's another BS story I won't get to).

And yes, I have noticed those little do cover tabs on some covers.  Me thinks they were to keep the cover sitting slightly above the pot when cover was inverted on pot.  Air movement means no condensation and rust.  Agree?  I can't think of another reason for them.

Anyway, it's the details that are so interesting to me and each type of piece from gem pans to skillets to whatever (Griswold, Wagner, Favorite, etc.) have different variations.  Keep your eyes open for those differences and you will learn as you see.  Problem is remembering them all and making sense of why they are the way they are.

Steve

[John Knapp]

I have been able to document 5 different logo sizes...so far..
1 7/8"
2 1/8"
2 7/16"
2 3/4 "
3"
John

[rbtarp]

John I have three different sizes now all on 9" flat bottomed pans.

[Steve_Stephens]

I have been able to document 5 different logo sizes...so far..
1 7/8"
2 1/8"
2 7/16"
2 3/4 "
3"
John

Plus the tiny tm on the square toy skillet.  I don't have one to measure.

Steve

[C. Perry Rapier]

 



And yes, I have noticed those little do cover tabs on some covers.  Me thinks they were to keep the cover sitting slightly above the pot when cover was inverted on pot.  Air movement means no condensation and rust.  Agree?  I can't think of another reason for them.


Steve

Steve, No I do not agree. Condensation is caused by moisture and air movement will not stop condensation. Wasn't it you that said you kept some stuff up in your attic and it got rusty, maybe not? Anyway, there is movement of air in an attic or the area above the ceiling where you can go up into, but the changing of the temperature to hot and cold is what causes condensation, and a free flow of air goes on there. Also, the idea about the lid being held up by the nodges (that sounds like a good name for them) when turned over, that won't work because when you turn the lid over the nodges go down into the pot also, and the lid goes down in flush. Also, you could get the same effect you are talking about by just cocking the lid. What about for stacking them at the production site. If you stacked them on top of each other, (the ones with the nodges) would that keep them separate for some unexplained purpose or reason. Thanks for your thoughts. We are thinking. Anybody else got any ideas. They gotta have a purpose, they take more iron, the cost would have to be higher therefore, the pattern has to be more intricate, so they ain't there for looks, but what?

[Steve_Stephens]

Perry,
You make me work hard to dig out my nodged dutch oven covers.  Yes, the c.1930's No.8 do cover fits pretty snugly down on the pot when the lid is upside down.  The nodges only go to within about 3/16" of the edge of the cover.  

But on my No.7 c.1920's slant TM Tite-Top Baster cover the nodges go out to the edges of the cover and, when inverted, the cover rests about 1/8" above the pot.

I probably shouldn't have said "to prevent condensation" and, upon thinking about what you said, I guess that's not right.  But one is not supposed to store do's with the cover on tightly.  Why?  To prevent rancidity?  A cover ajar works fine but the cover might become un-ajar and, thus, seal the oven which is not good for it.  Of course an upside down cover will not usually seal as well as an upright cover.

I guess I'm at an impass as to what the nodges are used for.  My big dictionary doesn't have 'nodge' in it.  You must have a HUGE dictonary to have found that word.  What does it mean?  And if you can tell me it's a real word I'll be surprised but I like it.

[C. Perry Rapier]

Steve, I looked at my do's again and I do not have any where the nodge goes all the way to the edge. And the word nodge, I made it up. I'm glad you like it, I thought it just kinda sounded right.