Mike, I don't think you ever stop learning. Just a few weeks ago, a member posted a piece of iron no one had ever seen, or knew that it existed. Joe Doucet posted a Martin #13 camp oven. It's not in the books, but he sure has it. Just one more reason to join up and see the whole site. BTW I love all the questions because other people think to ask things I haven't thought of. Welcome and glad to have you here.