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Offline Jim Fuchs

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Example of
« on: August 07, 2024, 08:51:01 PM »
one of the things wrong in our hobby...mis-information, which is much worse than no information.  This is an example of what has happened in our Hobby (and likely many others)...the repeating of the wrong information, with no one questioning the source(s), or asking to see any context.
               Looking on Worthpoint, type in Erie can opener, and you'll see several past sales. The problem is most claim the can opener stamped ERIE was made by Griswold. Worse yet, there are supposed sites, writers, societies, who should be leading by example, yet they even have ones who have collected for some time, claim to be well versed in their focus, but yet insisting on hyping..."I own one of these "rare" pieces made by so and so". In past references/books, in their defense, we now have access to much more and easier to find data than they did years ago.  Does no one even bother to take a good hard look at this kind of thing...even done in print, etc.. ?  I ran across this and decided I do not buy into the maker of the Erie can opener.
               FIRST and foremost, just because it says ERIE does not mean it was made by Griswold, or even made in Erie, Pa.
               Secondly- Looking at the pictures, one can clearly see the Rd 227761 No on the piece...THAT Rd is an indicator that it is a Registered Design, specifically from U.K./Britain/ English.
               Thirdly: First newspaper I read from England mentioning the Erie can opener tells the story.

           I can only plead that Please, slow down, let us not jump to conclusion without the proper vetting of the data.  Nothing wrong with wishful thinking, that perhaps, eureka, we just found a "rare" piece made by Griswold, or any of our beloved foundries, but please, tread carefully...question everything and read/research, then read and research again. Again, the only thing worse than no information is the wrong information...FWIW Edit to add: The nice thing about our hobby is, we do get to change or add to our data bases...it's a continuing learning curve as time goes on.

   https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/griswold-erie-can-opener
   https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?query=erie+can+opener&categories=
  The attached close up picture was from Worthpoint.    What I read was a on another site on the internet, claiming this was made in the 1930's, by Griswold Mfg. .. Well, how about late 1800's, in England.
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Offline Neal Birkett

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Re: Example of
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2024, 09:16:30 PM »
Wise words, indeed.
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Re: Example of
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2024, 01:36:31 AM »
Thank you, Jim, for these invaluable words.

Unfortunately far too many, including some very well-versed collectors, are completely blinded by dollar signs when attempting to sell an item.  Whether it's greed or just plain stupidity is debatable; regardless, the damage it causes down the line is like a disease that just feeds on itself.

Indeed diligent researching is of the utmost importance, but even more crucial is WHERE you research.  Credible sites don't include social media and pop-up websites.
"Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"   E. Idle/M. Python

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Re: Example of
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2024, 05:31:15 AM »
More. Found in the British National Archives Website.

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Re: Example of
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2024, 01:28:41 AM »
Thank you Jim, for your excellent advice.

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Re: Example of
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2024, 08:44:35 PM »
   In the interest of keeping the History straight, could I please request that this post be moved to our Public/ General Information side. It's tough enough to try to straighten out the bad data that is out there. Think the sooner this is addressed, the better.
             Also, is it possible that a WAGS member, on facebook, please paste a link on our WAGS facebook page so that we can help other collectors and lovers of the History. Thank you. After all, as stewards of the hobby, we owe it to the present and future collectors to share this kind of data. Let us not jump to false conclusions about the makers  without first doing our due diligence . Research and context is the key.

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Re: Example of
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2024, 01:56:37 PM »
Posted this on FB
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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Re: Example of
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2024, 04:14:35 PM »
Thank you Dwayne.