Author Topic: Just One More Of My Quirks!  (Read 677 times)

Offline Tom Neitzel

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Just One More Of My Quirks!
« on: January 01, 2023, 01:06:21 PM »
Sloppy use of terminology in the hobby drives me crazy. :crazy:

In the past, for me, it has been sprue/gate mark, pattern/mold, reproduction/knock-0ff/fantasy and even the word Wagwold, that make me cringe when, again in my opinion, the use is not correct.  I'm not going to talk about any of these.

I have a new one.  It is the use of the term "Restored".  In my mind restored mean to bring something back to its original condition.

I've seen the evolution of cast iron items going from cleaned and seasoned, to restored.  I'm most familiar with waffle and wafer irons.  I can tell you that with a very, very, very few exceptions, none of the irons touted as restored are really "restored".  They generally are just clean and nicely seasoned.  May even have handles replaced, which is fine as long as they look like the original in size and color.

Using Griswold as an example, the majority of bases were japanned.  How many restorers are japanning their bases?

Did Griswold season their waffle irons before sending them for retail sale?  Maybe a light coating of oil or wax, but not seasoned, I believe.  Although I've not studied hollow ware much - I would not expect to see them seasoned from Griswold (or Wagner, or other major foundries for that manner).

How can something, that never existed in the state it is being offered, be considered restored?

I think it is an evolution to charge more for something with a fancy name.  Kind of like calling Vanilla Ice Cream by its Italian name, Gelato Alla Vaniglia.

I know it will never change, but at least I hope it makes you think then smile. :grin:.  Take pity on poor old Tom living in his personal terminology hell - LOL.

And I will finish with the obligatory greeting on January 1, I wish you all a very Happy and Prosperous New Year!


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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2023, 06:17:33 PM »
Happy New Year Tom, and to all of our members !  I'll stay away from the "terminology" subject in our hobby (half is incorrect more often than not , and a good portion remaining is "made up", due to lack of knowledge or context)...it drives me bonkers as well.  "Original"?...an item can only be original once. Once altered in any way, it is no longer that in my mind. With my old(er) pieces, say from the mid to latter 1600's (one I have) , and several from 1700's, and earlier 1800's, my goal is preserve, prevent any further degradation. I do not strip, season, etc....they look old...because they ARE old-LOL.   

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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2023, 09:56:43 PM »
Took me a while to catch your Original reference.  I agree, can only be original once.

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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2023, 01:06:09 AM »
For what it is worth, "restored" is a scaled term judged by the eye of the beholder, just like "good" or "excellent" is.  There is a lot of stuff in the word, cast iron or not, that is called "restored," "good," or "excellent," or other terms, that most aficionados of those items would just call c#@p.

Perhaps there is a word of wisdom here.  If not, Happy New Year anyway.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2023, 01:12:03 AM by Neal Birkett »
Best Regards,
Neal

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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2023, 03:13:01 PM »
Hey y'all.......A HAPPY NEW YEAR to you too!!  Fun post Tom.  It might be nice if some of you were able to get together and come up with a "Terminology Dictionary".  That might create a little discussion/controversy that could be interesting.  I suppose it would also be subjective.  Anyway, have a great 2023!! 

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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2023, 12:22:19 AM »
So many on Spacebook haven't a clue on a good day... :cheesy: :cheesy:


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Re: Just One More Of My Quirks!
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2023, 09:53:19 AM »
Happy New Year to all! Great subject Tom! The older I get the more I butcher up the English language. Examples: Thingamagigy, Podittol(defect), Tighter than Dick's Hat Band, To "Draw" some water, and on and on and on... Have a GREAT year! :thumbsup:
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