Iron Mountain lid?

[Brian Vick]

John Harry...
Is this an Iron Mountain or other brand
Has the broken rings and the numbers seem right but the baster ring does not protrude into the lip area and the handle looks different to me What do you think

Brian ??? ???

[Brian Vick]

Picture #2

[Brian Vick]

#3 again all I have to compare to is the chicken fryer lid in the blue book!

[Steve_Stephens]

but the baster ring does not protrude into the lip area and the handle looks different to me

Brian,
Yes, that's an Iron Mountain cover.  Compare with a Puritan cover in the red book p.137.  Puritan cover has broken basting rings, too, but more segments.

Griswold would often use simpler construction on their lesser lines of cookware so that's why the IM covers don't have the inside rim following the contours of the pouring lips.  I think Griswold had a patent for that feature but why put all the goodies on the cheaper lines or people will buy them instead of the full Griswold line with all the "options" (goodies and patented features).  The top of the dutch ovens along with the mating surface of the covers are probably not ground as Griswold did on their full line do's from at least c.1920 onwards.

Steve

[Brian Vick]

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Steve John,
Thanks for the input  ;D ;D
Brian

[Clark Rader]

 Puritan cover page 137 red book, the inside rim has them tabs (6) I have a numarked deep sk and cover. I thought was a unmarked Favorite, it has them tabs also something like my marked #7 Favorite Piqua Ware cover. I don't know if it is a Favorite or a Puritan sk & lid ? I sure would like to know witch is witch.
Both of these (my) covers do not have the rim, only the tabs. Are thay called (tabs) ? clark

[Steve_Stephens]

Griswold Puritans have pattern numbers and Favorite Puritans don't have them.  For an unmarked Favorite looking pan and/or cover, without p/n, it would be a Puritan only if made for Sears and cataloged in the Sears catalog as a Puritan; otherwise I would think it would be just an unmarked Favorite.  Puritan was Sear's tradename.

Tabs sounds fine.  I wonder if anyone had a name for them in the early days.  Sears may have asked Griswold to make the covers with the tabs if they first sold Favorite made covers with the tabs.  Just a thought about that as I really don't know.

Steve

[Steve_Stephens]

 
  What took place back then I do not know but the Puritan skillet lids 8,9 and 10  that have Griswold P/N's were made with an old style Favorite pattern.   To look at them they say Favorite all over them except they have a Griswold P/N and say Puritan in middle of inside.
   

I didn't know this John.  I think the Favorite Puritan predated Griswold Puritan.  Perhaps Sears owned the Favorite Puritan patterns or got them from Favorite when the went bankrupt c.1933 or had them transferred to Griswold who modified the patterns (added pattern numbers) and produced them.

Steve

[Clark Rader]

Thanks John & Steve, yes confuseing and more  interesting. the dates and times are hard to see. IMO I think that The tab cover without the ring is the best designed sk cover.
Why could someone make a cast iron list of names for skillets and lids:
Tabs, seal rings, pour spouts, Type of handles, ect.ect, At least so that the WAGES members would all have the same underesting of that item? it could be called WAGS dictionary and have that printed in our Newsletter? clark

[Greg Stahl]

Clark,
I like that idea very much.  Would you be interested in starting a list?  We could all contribute, modify, discuss and then we'd have something that would be somewhat 'standardized'.  I could make a Board on this forum for contributions and a board that only you could access to modify and update as needed. Let me know here, or send me an IM or email.

tx, greg

[Steve_Stephens]

I would like to see a section (under Educational Info) where ALL folks can see what we have there.  No sense in arriving at a common terminology for WAGS members if other terms are perpetuated by others and on the net.
Steve

[Steve_Stephens]

The part of the skillet cover that projects down into the skillet at the inner wall of the skillet was called a "rib" by Griswold in their patent #1,554,360.  Look this number up in the Patent Office site and you will read some interesting information.  I don't think "rib" would adequately describe the "tabs" on the Favorite skillets.  Some features of iron cookware have original terms used by the makers but others may not and we have to make up some word that best describes the feature's importance or use.

Steve

[Clark Rader]

Thanks Greg, it would just to much for me, Steves last post showes how (to) complex it would be for me to even think of dooing.   ???
Thanks John for all the info. and interesting reading. I guss I have a #7 donut Favorite sk cover. And love it. Can you talk about cast iron & love in the same sentence?  ::)  Maybe the difference betwen tha Favorite and Puritan lids is that (rim) and that could be another pat.# clark

[Greg Stahl]

Let's see if this works.

http://www.wagnerandgriswold.org/patents/griswoldskilletrib.pdf

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[Clark Rader]

Steve, good job, could that tab be on the rid of a Puritan sk cover.? the Favorite sk cover that I have does not have a rib, (only 6 tabs). Steve you are the man just for the job. I am sure that Griswold has outher names for that rib? You have at least 2 words for WAGS dictionary. Steve could you do all parts for all types of sk handle parts?
clark

[Steve_Stephens]

Clark,
Send me the photos or links to pieces and parts you want named and I'll ask Samuel or Mathew.  If I can't dig them up I'll do MY best.  All I know about the skillet cover "rib" is that is what it is called in the patent.  In later years Griswold may have called it something else or it may never again have had a name that anyone used.
Steve