Author Topic: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring  (Read 13172 times)

Offline Roy G. Meadows

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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2006, 05:26:57 PM »
Perry,
Without a Pattern Number an ERIE would belong to either the First or Second Series; it could also be a special like the Spider which of course didn't have a P/N. However, there are other differences between the Second and Third Series beside the P/N. These are the extent and shape of the rib handle and the reinforcing pad. As already stated in this thread some skillets in the Third Series had distinct reinforcing pads and some didn't.
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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2006, 07:54:12 PM »
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From the info that I have there are skillets in this Third Series (c1892-c1905) with the reinforcing pad and some without.
Once the reinforcing pad went away so did the reinforced top rim also as far as I know.  What reallly happened is that the reinforcings were somewhat flared into the pan and not distinct as they were originally.   To me, the fact that a pan has or doesn't have either the reinforcing pad or top rim would place them in separate series.  I'm glad you are digging for informatino Roy as you will probably, in the end, come up with a true idea of what was what.

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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2006, 12:02:33 AM »
Since I'm not entirely confident about how I interpret terms yet, I've taken another picture. I don't think there is any kind of reinforcement at the point where the handle meets the pan -- it's pretty smooth. Am I seeing this correctly?

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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2006, 12:47:27 AM »
Carla,
Look at this thread  http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1139455971;start=all   on the WAGNER 11 skillet which shows some good examples of reinforcing pads or whatever you want to call them.

Replies No.1 and 9 show typical reinforcing pads that were used to make the skillet wall thicker so it would be less likely to crack at the handle attachment point.  That worked to a degree but transfered the crack to the edge of where the pad is, at least on series 2 ERIE's which are somewhat thinly cast.

Reply 7 shows an early scooped handle pan with a reinforcing triangular rib but no pad to help spread the stresses.  I don't know if that pan is a Wagner, Griswold, Favorite or what.  Several foundries copied or later used old Griswold patterns to cast very similiar pans.  At least on the Griswold ones (ERIE's) these are the earliest versions of ERIE's.  Do you see the area under the handle that seems to be scooped out?  That's how several of us coined the name for these handles.  Griswold never had a fancy, distinct name for parts or styles of handles I would guess.

Note on all these earlier skillets that they have a distinct reinforced top rim where there is thicker metal on the top about 1/4" of the rim on the outside.  In later pans this reinforcing was blended into the skillet wall as was the reinforcing pad initially.  See Reply 8 for an example.  You can see an outline of the reinforcing pad as it was before being smoothed into the pan's wall.  Would this pan be series 4?  By this time I think the ERIE skillets lost their appeal and fine craftmanship and style.

Looking at your Reply 22 you can see your pan has no remains of the reinforcing pad or top rim although the handle is still reinforced by being flared into the skillet wall and the top rim is thicker in the top 3/8" but there is no distinct transition of the wall thickness as on series 1-3 ERIE's.

Steve
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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2006, 11:25:11 AM »
Carla,
Thanks for the picture of the base area for the handle of your skillet. As Steve pointed out above your Fifth Series ERIE skillet (i.e., inset heat ring, ERIE in quotes) does not have a distinct reinforcing pad. This answers my question. So far I am not aware of any ERIE's with an inset heat ring that have a distinct reinforcing pad. Does any collector have information to the contrary? This is one of the "holes" in my ERIE info that I'm trying to reconcile.
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Re: "ERIE" 8 704L outside heat ring
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2006, 11:40:38 AM »
Thank-you, for the excellent discourse on handles and top rims. It's so much easier to understand terms when I am looking at a picture of a pan while learning something about it. Unfortunately, I don't find all that many old pans around here - mostly stuff from the 40s or later, I'd say, so I really appreciate being able to see and learn about the older ones, so maybe I'll recognize one if ever I meet it in person! Carla