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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2006, 10:37:52 AM »
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Dwayne...  According to a Wagner book that I have, that series is 1891-1914.  It does not say if they are arc or straight.

John, what Wagner book would that be?
Paul,  It is from  "Collectors Guide to Wagner Ware", small size book with red cover from L-W books 1994.  It has 17 different logos that Wagner used along with dates of manufacture and the sizes that each logo was produced in.
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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2006, 12:53:43 PM »
Steve, This is probably been asked before, but what is the reason you start with the no reinforcing pad handle as being the earliest ERIE? How do we know how to rank the Erie's by mfg. sequence?
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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2006, 03:31:51 PM »
Harry, the first series is mostly devoid of the reinforcing pad.  Also, the first series has pouring lips that are different in most sizes than used in later years.  Take a look at the very rounded and deep lips on the No.10 first series ERIE skillets.  They are REALLY different and quite similiar to the OP&Co. skillets (no reinforcing pads on the OP pans which also have the "scooped" handle).  Series 1 No.7 ERIE skillets are the early ones with no pad and the pan's diameter is about 3/8"(or something close to that) less than later ERIE and Griswold skillets.  This was before there was a No.6 ERIE (second series was the first 6).  After the 6 came out Griswold increased the diameter of the 7 for some reason.  I guess it's like collecting and learning about a lot of things; when you only have or see a few of the different variations it's hard to tell much but, when you have or have seen all the variations, you can start to put together some sense of the big picture.  I've seen them all (most likely), but have not had them all, regarding the ERIE skillets.

Back to those series 1 ERIE's.  Take good notice of the pouring lips both from the shape, where they blend into the skillet wall, and anything else you can see and compare to series 2 ERIE's with no p/n and with the reinforcing pads and you will start to see some definite differences.  Oh, I forgot to say that a few series 1 skillets do have reinforcing pads but they are different in shape to the common and pretty one.  They come in a half round shape (red book p. 131 center, right photo) as well as what John Madole and I have termed "anthill" and "volcano" shapes.   These latter two shapes may also be on some series 2 skillets.  I say that series 1 are all the scooped handle while the series 2 are all of the later style handle that is not "scooped out".  Until we get somje photos of all the variations it will remain hard to talk about them all and for all to understand.

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2006, 09:14:37 PM »
Steve this makes sense. Do you have any gatemarked skillets with pads? On the few gatemarked skillets I have, or have seen on ebay, none of them have a pad. You do see some of the gatemarked ones that have cracks where the handle attaches. What makes sense to me is that Griswold would start with the norm, no pad, and then progress and change as they tried to fix the problems they were having, ie cracks. Is this what you are thinking? I also find it interesting how quickly foundries could adapt to changes. Griswold, Wagner, Favorite, and others, all have skillets with pads. I wonder who came up with the pad first? We'll probably never know. Sure wish we could have an album with the different handles with some suggested dates. That would be a great help.
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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2006, 10:20:34 PM »
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why do these cracks develop on skillet sidebowls (especially the early ERIEs)? Are they a result of the pan being dropped or jarred?
Donald, I must have missed your post initially.  I think the hairline cracks at or near the handles and, sometimes, near the pouring lips are caused by the skillet being dropped.  Just recieved an odorless skillet today with a hairline (very fine) old crack and the pan is based on an ERIE or even made by Griswold possibly.   It's pretty rare when you can't see these hairlines with a naked eye but good outdoor lighting does help.  I know of a spider skillet where you have to spend some serious time to see its hairline by the handle pad but it's there and the buyer wasn't happy and never got satisfaction from the ebay seller.

I don't think temperature or stacking the skillet is the cause of many cracks.  I recieved a Series 2 No.10 ERIE with the handle broken off completely and it was directly under a Favorite No.7 skillet.  My suspicion is that the rib under the Favorite handle knocked the ERIE pan hard enough to break the handle off in shipping.  The wall thickness of that ERIE is a hair over 1/16" so it's very thin.  Cracks will happen most easily at areas where there are protrusions which are handles and lips.

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2006, 10:29:07 PM »
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Do you have any gatemarked skillets with pads?
Only a very few Dwayne and maybe only one with a pad similiar to Griswold's.  It's an 1879 patented skillet but not the usual pans seen with that patent.  Other gated skillets have reinforcing of some sort where the handle attaches to the skillet wall while many have little or no reinforcing.  Good question; I had to go take a quick look to see what my pans are like.  

Some handle and detail photos would be good to have posted and they will probably come along in time.  The site is constantly improving and adding features.

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2006, 10:52:16 PM »
Speaking of reinforcing pads for handles, check out this Miami skillet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIAMI-8-Cast-Iron-Skillet-n-Griswold_W0QQitemZ6254018788QQcategoryZ976QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2006, 05:42:13 PM »
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Speaking of reinforcing pads for handles, check out this Miami skillet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIAMI-8-Cast-Iron-Skillet-n-Griswold_W0QQitemZ6254018788QQcategoryZ976QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Steve


WOW,  that looks nice!!!!


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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2006, 10:40:03 PM »
Steve: Thank you for your reply to my inquiry regarding skillet cracks. I stack my CI skillets fairly high and was hoping that the resulting pressure on the bottom pans would'nt produce enough stress to start sidewall bowl cracks. Like you pointed out, some cracks are verrry hard to see. I have an ERIE 12 that has just a microscopic hint of a 1/4" bowl top crack by the handle. Inside the bowl it is virtually imperceptible. Outside you actually need a magnifying glass to pick up on it. Do skillet bowl cracks spread over time or do they pretty much stay as they are? Unless I have bright inside or, preferably, outside lighting; I wont buy any cast iron. I've lost out on some good deals following this procedure, especially a Griswold slant E.P.U. #13 at a daybreak flea market for $450, but cant accept the heartbreak of later finding a crack in the pan you just paid good money for. Thanks, again, and best regards.

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2006, 02:35:24 AM »
I have seen no evidence that cracks enlarge over time.  I also stack my skillets pretty high, like maybe 10-15 pans.  Just don't sit on such a stack.

Steve

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Re: "Wagner" #11
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2006, 03:45:26 AM »
I have found this discussion very informative.  Thanks to all of you for your input.  I LOVE this forum!!!!