Author Topic: See Perry's Barrels Here (Read 55775 times)

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #60 on:** August 02, 2009, 09:37:44 AM »

Ray, if you go to the first picture in this thread, that will work and it will work just fine, you can do it a thousand different ways really, BUT, it will not clean any better than what you see in that first picture. The only thing that I would change, me personally, is that I would use a metal strap with holes in it, to hang from the bar, you put a bolt through the strap, and put big fat washers on each side of the bolt when its through the strap, and then you just let it hang there. Why do that you say. Well, that way it is realy easy to raise and lower the piece into the water because, and you can adjust to different heights, and when you want to look at the piece, all you gotta do is lift up your strap, and if you use S hooks, and a baby C clamp to hold the piece to be cleaned, you can get the piece on and off with no problem at all. Just some food for thought here. My idea is to make it simple, make it easy, and make it effective.

Sandy Glenn · « **Reply #61 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:03:16 AM »

My setup is REALLY simple.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #62 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:16:26 AM »

Thats a nice setup Sandy, and yes its simple, and obviously effective. I am pretty sure it is, but is that a SS barrell that you are using?

Sandy Glenn · « **Reply #63 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:52:15 AM »

Yes, it is a SS barrel... I think 55 gallon capacity. I bought it a few years back at an auction for a defunct restaurant supply/food wholesaler.

Ray Emerson · « **Reply #64 on:** August 02, 2009, 06:50:55 PM »

Thanks, Perry, you hit my favorite plan for life, simplicity. I had looked at various set-ups and last night, after going to bed, I thought what I've got to do is just keep it simple and easy, which is what I will do. I'm going to make it much like Sandy's. Thanks, Sandy, for posting your picture. A great image tells the whole story for me. I see everything I need to, and now know exactly what to do.

Take care, guys!

Ray

Robert Hilman · « **Reply #65 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:43:45 AM »

One of Perry’s old barrels just came up for sale. I made arrangements to buy it and have it shipped to me. When the owner emptied it and cleaned up the inside for shipping he found the sides were shot and almost ready to fail. So if you use one you might want to empty it and check to see if it’s still good.

Scott Sanders · « **Reply #66 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:26:24 AM »

Robert.......Would it be possible for you to request pictures of the insides of the SS barrel you WERE going to purchase??? I'm assuming the sale is off??? I just had mine emptied down about three quarters of the way down and didn't notice anything that looked like it was ready to fail. Maybe just a couple of lightly discolored spots, but nothing that looked like the SS was gone. I just scrubbed it clean with some "Kleen King" Stainless Steel & Copper Cleaner down to the water line, filled it back up, added some more washing soda, and started it up again.....seems to be working fine. It would be interesting to find out what solution (soup) was used and how often the set up used. I haven't noticed any problems with mine yet......has anyone else???

Thanks,
Scott

Robert Hilman · « **Reply #67 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:54:54 AM »

Scott, I'm not good with pics. but will ask the seller to send them to my GOOD friend Perry to post if he did not get rid of it yet.

Robert Hilman · « **Reply #68 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:34:47 AM »

Scott, the seller was Steve Stephenson if you know how to contact him for more information on what he saw and how he used the barrel. If not I will talk to him to see if he minds me giving you contact information. Robert

Scott Sanders · « **Reply #69 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:15:03 PM »

Hi Robert..........Would that have been Steve Stephens rather than Stephenson?? If so, I think I still have his e-mail address and could probably ask him about it. I think he set his up sometime after I set mine up, so it's been less than three years. Makes me wonder if Steve is kind of getting out of the cast iron collecting or just changing cleaning methods??? Anyway, it would be interesting to see the inside of his barrel.

Scott

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #70 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:59:55 PM »

Scott, yes, its our Steve Stephens. And this is very interesting about this barrel. I'd like to know what the story is on this too.

And if you have any scrap SS, don't just throw it away. Its worth darn good money as scrap. We sell our scrap to China and then we buy it back from them as products. I don't know about now, but at one time the US was the largest exporter of scrap, and scrap was our largest export. But yes, I'd like to see what that barrel looks like also. I know that Steve did not set his electro up until waaaaaaaaaaaay after he had had the barrel, so if its eat up, he must have sure used the hell out of it 24/7 to get it that way, thats what I'm thinkin anyway.

I don't even use the SS barrel, I use two SS sheets, and have cleaned many many pieces with them, and they are like paper compared to the thickness of the barrels, and only now after all this time there is starting to show pinholes, but I am still using them just fine.

Chris Stairs · « **Reply #71 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:21:48 PM »

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I'd like to see what that barrel looks like also. I know that Steve did not set his electro up until waaaaaaaaaaaay after he had had the barrel, so if its eat up, he must have sure used the hell out of it 24/7 to get it that way, thats what I'm thinkin anyway.

Perry,
According to this thread, Steve says it was well over a year before he set up his system. April 2007.

http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1177287377

Chris

Chuck Rogers · « **Reply #72 on:** October 08, 2009, 08:55:06 PM »

That is my one fear of using an ss barrel. If it springs a leak, you have a mess on your hands. I've posted before about how my ss liner in my tank rots away in short order. I run my tank pretty much 24-7. My latest liner is already eaten through in spots, and it was put in use back in early August. I've concluded that the ss I'm using is low quality, and a higher grade, thicker piece may yield better results. I use distilled water, A&H super washing soda (about 1/3 box or so to 55 gallons). I try to keep my amps at 20, but sometimes it goes higher due to the amount or size of the iron I'm cleaning. I put the iron as close to the ss as possible. The area of the ss that is in direct line of sight to the iron, is the area that is eaten away. The upper, and lower parts seem to be in pretty good shape. If any of this doesn't sound right, let me know. I have another tank lined up, and ready to go. The current tank should last a few more weeks, then it will be finished.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #73 on:** October 08, 2009, 10:01:32 PM »

Chuck, I was thinkin about the SS barrel eventually being eaten through. If it was me, and I don't use a SS barrel, because I like what I got goin on, but, if I was using the SS barrel, I would set the barrel inside another barrel, so if it did spring a leak it would not be a big deal,and you could keep right on using the SS barrel with no problems.

Chuck Rogers · « **Reply #74 on:** October 08, 2009, 10:04:34 PM »

Very True Perry. Just like a lined tank if ya think about, and you don't have to wrestle it into shape. ;D

Scott Sanders · « **Reply #75 on:** October 10, 2009, 01:11:11 PM »

At Robert's request, and with Steve's approval, I will post the pictures that Steve sent showing the pitting on the inside of his stainless steel barrel. He said that there were no leaks, but felt it would not have been long before some may have developed. There was some pitting on the bottom of the barrel, but most seemed to appear at or near the water line level. It appeared as a brownish discoloring, and upon closer inspection and some cleaning, he found the noted pitting. He was using PH+ in his solution and was using a "hanging on hooks" method without clamps for suspending the iron. He said he had cleaned well under 100 pieces since he set it up in April 2007.

As I have stated above, when I removed about 3/4 of the water from my barrel for cleaning purposes, I did not notice anything that lookd like pitting or metal failure. This is just a reminder to those using stainless steel barrels or containers, to occasionally check the insides for any damage.......remember, you are using the barrel as the "sacrificial" element of your electrolysis system. It will last longer than scrap iron, but may not be indestructable. So, check it once in a while. Let us know if you find any problems.

Scott

Here are Steve's pictures. The wooden match is used as a size comparrison to guage the size of the pitting.

Bottom of the barrel....

Side of the barrel at or just below the water line.....

fatfutures · « **Reply #76 on:** October 10, 2009, 01:31:53 PM »

Just to add my experiences... I just drained my tank today. I've had it up and running for approx 3 years with ummm... medium duty usage.

I found three spots of very light corrosion on the side walls. And, heavier corrosion on the bottom. None of the damage that I found was as extensive as shown in Steve's barrel. I feel that the sludge on the bottom of my barrel was to blame for the extent of the damage there. I also noted that I need to move my pieces around the tank a bit more. My tank is oblong and I have hung all of my pieces in roughly the same location. And, that is where I am seeing the damage.

So, I feel that siphoning the sludge off the bottom and changing up the location of my pieces (both vertically and horizontally) will extend the life of my tank. I'm sure I'll get a few more years out of this piece. When it DOES spring a leak, I'm lucky enough to have a back up! Let's just hope that when my current tank springs a leak, stainless scrap prices will be HIGH ;)

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #77 on:** October 10, 2009, 07:22:19 PM »

Well, if I had Steves barrel, I'd put it in a barrel and keep right on using it, to me, that damage don't look bad at all. And like Scott says, these barrels are not indestructable, over time, they will be eaten away, because if they do not eat away, to an extent, then your electro ain't workin, but like I said, I'd put it in a barrel and keep right on usin it.

And I like what Michelle said, about moving the piece to be cleaned, movin it to different spots in your tank, around and different heights, so you just don't wear a hole out in one spot, spread the damage around some. Thats makes all the sense in the world Michelle. Did Craig tell you to do that? ::)

fatfutures · « **Reply #78 on:** October 10, 2009, 07:37:29 PM »

Perry, I'm sure I've said this before but, I'll say it again... BITE ME!

I happened to have figured that out all by myself! Pretty smart for a chick! LOL

As you said, it just makes sense. The little damage that I have is very localized. I also believe that removing the sludge is important. The damage on the bottom was heavier... Heavier in one spot, that was below my "usual" hanging spot and, it just so happened to have a lil indented area where the sludge would have been deeper.

Anyhooo, I'm all for trying anything that will prolong the life of my tank.

Jeff Johnson · « **Reply #79 on:** December 31, 2010, 02:43:18 PM »

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Perry,
Thank you for bringing this thread back to the top of the board. I have read it before, and I have just read the whole thing again.
On another thread recently, you asked me if I could find a picture of a lard kettle that had been posted on here. Most of the pictures previous to May 2005 were lost in a forum upgrade. I say most because there are a few that were stored separately, and still exist.
In this thread, that you are reading now, Reply #9, you mention that picture being posted.
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Also, before you come here on the forum there was a picture of me cleaning the lard kettle at the meat market where these barrels came from. The kettle was about 5 feet high and easily over 4 feet in diameter and it was fired by steam. I put some SS rods in the middle of the barrel and suspended them on milk crates that were sitting on the bottom of the tank. Anyway, there was a picture of me doing this. I think we called it a "Big Electro System" or something like that. Long story short, YES, its a good idea.

I do not believe this picture still exists on this forum. If you have a paper version, and run across it by chance, I would sure like to see it.

Chris

A picture of Perry's lard kettle MIGHT still be archived on the Internet Wayback Machine (IWM). For those who haven't wandered around on that site in the past, it archives over 100 terabytes of 10 billion web pages archived from umpteen different websites since 1996.

From http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.griswoldandwagner.com , it looks like archived pages exist from 8/02 - 7/08.

Here's the archive link to the Forum from April of 2005:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050404155833/http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

Note that it takes a LONG time for webpages accessed through the IWM to load.

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