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Offline Jerry Cermack

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Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« on: June 11, 2003, 04:40:01 PM »
I just purchased my first Griswold Waffle Iron.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3228360182&category=976

It appears to be a NO 18 but has a small star in the center.  Blue book shows a large star.  Did they make the NO 18 both ways?.....I know nuthin about waffle irons  :D :D :D
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2003, 06:45:59 PM »
I had a waffle iron collector tell me the number of variations of the H & S and while I can't remember the number it was very large, over 15, if I recall correctly. I would think the size of the star varies in the 18's.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2003, 07:23:57 PM »
Jerry,  nice buy.   Even beats the price I paid for mine.   I just looked at mine and it has the large star.   When you get it.   Send pictures for the "rare and unusual" page.  

Again,  nice buy.

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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2003, 09:30:31 PM »
I don't know if that is "rare and unusual"??

I do think a "variation" page for things like this would be nice however.  Haussler has the variation's of gem pan's and I've noticed differences in toy tea kettle lids (in an issue of KnC), and now we have w/i too.  I guess however, that this sort of page could be somewhat overwhelming.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2003, 10:11:35 PM »
I have no idea about rare, but items that are not shown in any books are of great interest to me.

As for WI's, I dont know one from the other?  :D :D :D

For you waffle experts.....Does the tall base cook over modern burners as well as low base?...
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2003, 10:17:56 PM »
I think either will work, you just have to adjust the heat.  I have the heart and star on a low base and it works just fine.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2003, 04:32:27 AM »
Jerry,
The earlier H&S waffle irons have the small center star and, I think, are a little more common than the large star.  I have had both but kept the small star which comes out better looking in the waffle itself.  I am somewhat surprised that there may be as many as 18 variations of the H&S irons but could be.  For all Griswold waffle irons there have to be well over a hundred variations if not over 200.
High frames work better for me than low on most modern stoves but the difference is not that great.  Low frames were made for wood and coal but work fine on newer stoves.  High frames were made for gas and gasoline stoves and the added height of the base makes it easier to turn the irons over.   If your gas stove has a flame that shoots out to the side a low frame may work better with that burner since the flame will impinge on the sides of the base with the taller frame.  My family has me lug my iron when I visit so I get to try different stoves over the years.   I use my high frame (last used this yesterday morning) on a standard coil element electric range with great results but the low frames work fine also.  If you have a stove with the solid cast iron element with the brownish dot in the center or any other element that required direct contact the with element for the stove to work properly, these old waffle irons will not work properly if at all.  And, if you have a gas stove and the base makes a tight seal around the stovetop it can put the flame out.  Just raise the base slightly with some strips of non-combustible material such as pieces of aluminum or some knives.

You didn't waste any time buying that iron Jerry.  GREAT price and a very nice looking iron.  A goodie!!
Steve
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2003, 10:10:27 AM »
I'm trying to learn some about waffle irons now and Ive notices some with coiled steel handles and some with wood handles?.....Did they come both ways in the same number and is this one of the variations spoken of?   Which one came first?
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2003, 10:16:32 AM »
some with Alaskan coils, some with wood handles, some with slant TM, some with block TM, high and low bases for each (I believe), different size stars.  It all adds up.  I was going to sell my one but noticed it was different from my other, so my collection is not increasing there too.

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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2003, 12:28:47 PM »
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I'm trying to learn some about waffle irons now and Ive notices some with coiled steel handles and some with wood handles?.....Did they come both ways in the same number and is this one of the variations spoken of?   Which one came first?

Wood handles came first:  short, stubby dowles followed by longer dowles followed by turned wood handles.
Then came alaska coil handles:  first they were thinner gauge followed by thicker guage followed by a three part wire handle followed by a heavy, clunky one piece wire handle.

It may have been Wagner or Griswold where I thought I had seen a catalog that stated irons were shipped with wire handles unless wood was specified.   That would have been after the wire handles because available.  I do know that Griswold catalogs state that "both low and high frame waffle irons are shipped with bails unless side handle pattern is ordered."

Earlier catalogs show only wood handles and no mention of coil while later catalogs state "alaska coil handles" and no mention of wood handles.

I have seen several heart star irons with straight wooden dowel handles.  These may be replacements (why, as the coil handles do not get out of order?) or, maybe, they could be ordered that way.  Or, someone changed them out because they liked the wood handles better.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2003, 12:57:21 PM »
Steve,
I suppose you are talking about handles like the ones on this NO 18?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3228507871&category=976
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2003, 01:19:29 PM »
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Steve,
I suppose you are talking about handles like the ones on this NO 18?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3228507871&category=976

Yes, exactly.  Why would there be several of these heart star irons with wood handles if they were not made that way?   But why are they made with wood handles when the coil handles are superior?  

And those handle look original although it is very easy to make your own handles that are exactly alike.  I have made many using hardwood dowles from a hardware store.  You have to sand the diameter down ever so slightly where they enter the handle socket.   The handles are held in place with small wire nails.
Steve

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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2003, 01:33:27 PM »
The size of the star and the handle type is not the only difference in the two heart-star waffle irons.  The one with the small star carries the pattern numbers 919 and 920 with the number 18 refering to size 8.  This version has leveling pins which mandates that each piece be a mirror immage of the other.  The pin location is 40 degrees from the handle similar to the size 8 standard  pattern numbers 312/313 which carries a patent date of "Dec 1.1908".  My example has a slanted logo and carries a patent date of "May-18-20".

The heart-star waffle iron with the large star carries the pattern number of 928 and the number 18 refering to it's size.  This version does not have leveling pins and each piece is identical to the other.  This design is similar to the standard size 8  with patern number 151 that carries a patent date of "July 11.1822.  My example has a block logo and carries a patent date of "May 18.20"

Griswold also manufactured heart shaped waffle irons for "Alfred Andresen & Co." and "Western Importing Co."

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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2003, 10:34:40 PM »
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 The one with the small star carries the pattern numbers 919 and 920 with the number 18 refering to size 8.  




Dennis,
I'm confused as usual. On page 92 of Dave Smith's blue cover book, it shows the NO. 18 with large star as #919 and #920
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2003, 12:35:50 AM »
That would be the second version of the 919,920 irons with the first having the small center star.  Lots of variations as is usualy with Griswold.   Any subsequent variations of the heart star irons would have the large center star.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2003, 12:17:05 AM »
Steve/Jerry,
Well this makes sense.  I'm still learning more everyday about waffle irons and it seems there is no end in sight.  Thanks for the info.

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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2003, 09:42:50 PM »
This Heart & Star waffle iron has the 920 number on the paddles and has NO. 88 on the high base?....I dont see that number in the pattern lists?
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2003, 10:04:45 PM »
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This Heart & Star waffle iron has the 920 number on the paddles and has NO. 88 on the high base?....I dont see that number in the pattern lists?

The two irons should be 919 and 920.  Dave's book lists 920 as being a No.19 heart star iron but that is not correct as it should be one half of the No.18.  The No.88 on the base under the ball socket is a trade number and not a pattern number which should be elsewhere on the bottom of the frame.  Low frames were No.8 while high frames were No.88, at least in mid to later years.
The pattern numbers for the 1920 pat. No.19 heart star irons are 932 and 933.
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2003, 10:23:01 PM »
Steve,
I didnt look real close.  It was so nasty.  I did see the NO. 88 and also PAT 15xx ? I think?  Its in my tub right now and i'll look  at it better tomorrow......
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Re: Heart & Star Waffle Irons
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2003, 10:23:08 AM »
Mystery solved after cleaning.  The PAT 15xx I saw through the crud was actually  PATT 153A       :D :D :D
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