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#10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« on: September 22, 2003, 09:05:04 AM »
Found a #10 GRISWOLD (slant) tite-top dutch oven erie pa., pat'd feb 10' 1920 #A468 lid. Did someone post something about (applied handle) This cover has 2 rivets on handle, witch has been thier for some time. What have I got here? Not in book.
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 10:44:30 PM »
Clark,
An interesting cover and different way to attach a handle on a Griswold cover.  Don't think I've seen that one before.  I have an aluminum No.8 low skillet cover marked PATENT APPL'D FOR.   It has the block TM so is probably a bit later than your cover.  The handle on my cover is what some called an "applied handle" with "square pins" on the inside but it appears that the handle and the flush "pins", unlike your cover, is actually cast with the rest of the cover.  Your's obviously is riveted on.  Why they did that on an aluminum but not an iron cover I don't know.  Or could it be the size of your cover than warrented riveting the handle on?

Sure would be great if we knew how and why on all Griswold pieces.
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 11:20:10 PM »
Those rivets don't look factory to me. They look like somebody put them on later for some reason, like maybe they come off, or broke off. It seems odd to me that Griswold would make a nice smooth lid and then drill two holes in it and put a cheap rivet in it. It just does not add up. I say this because if you look at Griswold products they are nicely made, good workmanship, smooth lines, and made to last. It just doesn't make sense that a handle would be attached in this manner, based upon the quality of workmanship that I have come to know with Griswold. I have a drill, I have a rivet gun, I could put handles on like this, and so could most anybody else. Of course this is just my opinion, as a lot of our comments are.

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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 11:52:07 PM »
I'm looking for a Griswold catalog that might picture a riveted on handle.  Catalog No.45 (c.1915?) shows the No.10 do with a hollow steel knob that would have to have been screwed or riveted on.   Clarks cover is later than this catalog.  The 1918 No.47 catalog shows (an illustration) Clarks cover exactly.  You can't make out that the handle is riveted on but it looks like it is and has the same identical shape with what look like to be rivets.
Some of these pieces we haven't seen enough of to know much about them.  I have seen very little early Griswold aluminum yet their aluminum dates to the mid 1890's.
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2003, 08:40:02 AM »
Thanks guys, that is why I got that lid at Stringfield. It looks like the rivets have been on that lid for a long time and done very well. But I don't like it and it is hard to believe that Griswold would do that. (I will not clean that lid and bring it to the convention for an exam) An interesting piece, I just don't like it. If that is not the real handle, what did it look like?
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2003, 12:29:11 PM »
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If that is not the real handle, what did it look like?
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The original handle looks JUST LIKE the handle on your cover Clark.  The catalog that pictures it is a 1918 Cat. No. 47 which is, or was, available from L-W Book Sales.  It's a nice reprint of about 125 pages and sold for $12.  You all should get a copy along with any other catalogs available.  Hopfully Dave Smith will bring some of his reprinted materials to the convention.  Whenever you come across a catalog it is wise to buy it.  I'm talking reprinted catalogs; I have no orignals.  Over the years they come in very handy in answering questions.
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2003, 02:04:51 PM »
Steve, Not to be nosy, but just how many of these catalogs do you have? I asked Dave Smith if he is going to have some catalogs at the convention and he said he is going to bring some. I would like to have some but don't know just which ones to buy. Do you have any suggestions as to which ones would be the most informative, or whatever you have to say on the subject would be appreciated.

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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2003, 12:30:54 PM »
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Steve, Not to be nosy, but just how many of these catalogs do you have?  

Hey Perry, you nosy guy.  I have around a dozen different Wagner and Griswold catalog reprints.  I'll try to work up some info on the different catalogs for you and others.
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Re: #10 Griswold D.O. lid A468
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2003, 12:46:47 PM »
Steve, To be nosy, if you could make a list of them and how and where I can purchase them, that would be the ticket. Thanks