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barbz56

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What is meant by "pits"
« on: December 18, 2004, 06:53:57 AM »
I am new to this forum.  We bought some skillets at an auction this summer.  I have two on Ebay right now.  I have a question to answer about  pits in the skillet.  What  are pits in a skillet.  The skillet I'm selling needs cleaned, but I just don't know what is meant by pits    Thanks in advance for any answers. :)

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2004, 07:35:38 AM »
Pits or pitting are eroded places in the iron surface caused by long term rust corrosion >:(. The cat iron is rusted away. Degrees can be from a sand paper feel to deep dimples in the iron. The slightest presence of moisture can start this. Takes away from the value of the iron :'(
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 11:58:41 AM »
Barbara, here is a link to some pictures on this site that show a skillet that is pitted on the bottom.  Just scroll to the skillet, and you can see how rust has pitted the surface while some areas are left smooth.

http://66.175.18.153/Electrolysis/ELECTROS_3.htm
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 03:47:49 PM »
If you skillet looks like it has bad case of acne, then it is pitted.

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2004, 11:36:01 PM »
Is this an example of pitting? And what would any of you experienced folk pay for such a skillet (Griswold ERIE No 8) in otherwise good condition?

-Kevin
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2004, 12:10:22 AM »
That's fairly minor pitting.  With usually enough unpitted and otherwise very good condition skillets of almost any make and variation to go around most collectors wait for a good example rather than pick up a pitted one.  I'd say such minor pitting might halve the value of a pan.  For that pan maybe $10 to 30 for someone who really wanted it.  Prices are all over the place on most pans other than the most commonly desired ones like No.2's, 13's, spider skillets, etc.  Even then the prices are quite varied.  What is a desired pan to one person might not be one that another even wants to own so price may depend on who you ask.  I'm not a fan of later ERIE skillets but like the early ones which would be much more valuable to me.  For a user pan the pitting won't hurt at all and all of these older skillets can be used regardless of their age.

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 02:41:01 AM »
Steve,

Thanks for your response. So you'd say that this is a later ERIE pan? I know that dating these is a science of approximation, but what would you say is the vintage? And from reading another thread, I know that you are partial to the first two runs of variations on the ERIE pans, but that your interest is lower for the third... but why? What do you like/dislike about the respective runs?

Oh, and getting back to the thread at hand: what does minor pitting like this mean in terms of caring for the cast iron for someone who is using it for cooking? Is it more prone to rust in this area? Does it need special care that an undamaged pan would not?

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 10:24:23 AM »
Kevin: I will answer the last questions about care and minor pitting. Minor pitting, if all rust has been removed and it is seasoned, will act just like a "perfect" piece as far as cooking is concerned. Major pitting is another thing, you could get so thin that there would be un-even heating. Last, I would not want any pitting on the inside, ie. not a smooth finish which helps as non-stick.
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2004, 12:28:05 PM »
In photographing any skillet, and other pieces, it is best to take an angle shot to include details of the piece other than only the bottom.  For skillets the bottom of the handle, where it attaches to the skillet bowl, and the pouring lips and top rim all give clues as to age or variation.  Just a direct bottom shot leaves out all the extra details that are usually needed to see EXACTLY what you have.
Only the mid to later ERIE pans have pattern numbers.  After about the third series (first pattern numbers and with several different p/n's per size of most pans on skillets only) of ERIE skillets the pans lost their crisp, detailed top rim reinforcement and the reinforcing "pad" at the handle attachment.  These were very nice details of the first series.  Later pans, by comparison and from my view, lack the nice design or style of the earlier pans along with the crisp casting and light weight of, especially, the second series ERIE's (which are prone to crack- from abuse, not use- because of their thin casting).   I'd guess your pan is c. late 1890's to early 1900's but before 1905?  Truely an inexact science in dating these pans.  I agree with CB about the piitting and the minor pitting of your pan should have no effect, or require and special care, in use.  You might want to be sure the pitted surface always has a thin coat of cooking oil on it.  Don't have to re-oil each time but don't let it get completely burned off from the fire or totally devoid of the protective oils.

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2004, 04:31:42 PM »
Steve and CB,

Thanks, gentlemen. I wish I had more pics of this -- it's an ebay item I am considering. The seller has posted a picture of the interior, though, and there appears to be no pitting there. It looks like it might be a good pan. Like I said, I am looking for a pan primarily for cooking, but I am VERY drawn by the aesthetics of various pieces of cast iron ware and this particular skillet is alluring to me for its antiquity as well.

-Kevin

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2004, 05:12:56 PM »
"ALLURING" is what got all of us in this mess to start with. :-/
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2004, 05:29:33 PM »
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"ALLURING" is what got all of us in this mess to start with. :-/

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2004, 08:59:19 PM »
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Like I said, I am looking for a pan primarily for cooking, but I am VERY drawn by the aesthetics of various pieces of cast iron ware and this particular skillet is alluring to me for its antiquity as well.

-Kevin

Kevin,
Is this your first iron skillet or first antique or Griswold pan?  If so, personally I would advise you to wait for one in excellent overall condition.  You may (probably) will pay more but it may be with you for your lifetime so why not figure out the variations you might like the best and hold out for a really nice one.  Some Griswold's have very deep and distinct markings including some ERIE's while others are not so nicely marked.  Other features and details will appeal to some of us more than others.  I am particularly drawn to early ERIE, Wagner, Marion, and similiar era nickel plated skillets since they were polished all over.   The fact that the plating is often terrible makes no difference with nickel as it still has a nice patina when worn, missing, etc.  Not so with the later chromed pieces which, when the plating is not good, do not look so good.  And the plated pieces are usually cheaper and much rarer than the black iron.  Of course, they will remain worth not as much.  Anyway, be choosy when starting a collection.  Build somewhat slowly and carefully.  Ask if you don't know and we'll help you.  Come to our convention if you are a member of WAGS and you will see thousands of pieces of iron cookware for sale in one place plus a huge display of other collector's prized and oddball pieces.

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2004, 09:05:45 PM »
Steve: Some great advice. C B
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2004, 01:44:45 AM »
Steve,

Thanks for the advice. I own a couple of Lodge cast iron skillets and a Wagner Ware - Griswold No. 8 DO. I decided that if I like cooking with cast iron, I might as well do it right and have some good quality utensils. I don't want to bash Lodge at all, but the 10.25 inch skillet and lid that I recently ordered through the mail are shockingly poor quality -- the casting is very rough, and worse still, it's uneven (e.g., some parts of the skillet are smoother than others, so it seems to take seasoning differently in different spots). The 12 inch skillet and lid I have from Lodge are better -- and in fairness to Lodge, they have done a couple of things to earn my gratitude: 1) they provide the considerable service of keeping cast iron afloat as an affordable, available cookware option for those who cannot comb through ebay, antique shops or estate sales for pieces produced by defunct companies; 2) they have added an "assist handle" to their skillets opposite the main handle -- I find this immensely helpful in controlling this heavy piece of metal (the 12-incher), especially when it's full of food.

Anyway, the quality of the casting and refinement of the design of the Wagner-Griswold Dutch Oven is such that the Lodge ware seems very cheap and clumsy indeed by comparison. Now I know (or I think I do -- this is all fairly recent self-education, so correct me if I'm wrong) that this DO was cast by Wagner using the molds they took over from Griswold, and I would guess that it dates from the 1960's -- i.e., that period during which many say the quality of the cookware being produced was in decline. I thought to myself, "It looks good to me. But if this is representative of the decline, what must a piece of genuine Griswold iron be like, produced by the company during its (long) heyday?" So I decided to acquire some real Griswold iron.

I have to balance a few concerns: limited funds; limited space in my NYC apartment; and a quirk of mine that I get more pleasure out of things that I own and USE than I do out of things that I simply own. I find cast iron intensely beautiful, but for me part of its beauty has to do with its functionality, its practical appeal. What could be better? -- it's pleasing to the eye and hand AND it's a spectacular conductor of heat, makes food fantastic! I love caring for my cast iron cookware -- the cleaning and seasoning are pleasureable because I know that I'm helping it improve in its function. And I love the idea of cooking with older iron, of making use of something that has passed through various hands and served others in the past, iron that has seen some history. I get a charge from the idea that an object that came into existence in order to be used is still fulfilling that destiny with me, 50 or 75 or 100 years later. It's a bit of a link-with-history feeling for me. I am acquisitive in general, but due to the nature of cast iron's appeal for me -- and the afore-mentioned limits on money and space -- I'm not likely to acquire any more than I can actually use in my kitchen.

Whew! Long-winded, eh? That's how enthusiastic I am right now. I can just see you long-term fanatics reading this, shaking your heads and thinking "He's been bit by the bug, alright. He THINKS he'll stop when he's got his practical kitchen needs met, but I've seen cases like this before...". Even now I am torn -- it seems like the most practical investment for my needs (i.e., a No 8 skillet for cooking) would be one of the many extant skillets from c.1930's with the large block TM and "Erie, PA, USA" between the TM and pattern no. But it would be soooo cool to have and use a pan from the turn of the last century. It's a slippery slope...

-Kevin
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2004, 05:49:54 AM »
Kevin, Would advise that you move to a 1st floor apartment. Would not want to endanger anyone by living under you with all the iron you will soon have :o See them post... He's hooked [smiley=appl.gif] WELCOME!
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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2004, 06:31:36 AM »
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limited space in my NYC apartment


Kevin,  I've quoted the one part of your post that I know from personnel experience is not accurate.  If anyone has been to Joel's place in NYC, an apartment, you know that you can store A WHOLE LOT of cast iron in a VERY small NYC apartment, LOL.

Joel is a WAGS member and he has a vast collection in NYC, so Kevin, your limited space in your apartment can be easily overcome, as Joel has done.

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2004, 06:57:46 AM »
Greg's right, Kevin.  I can't believe how much cast iron I have stuffed into my 30' camper!  You just have to get creative........under the bed, couch, table, on the walls, on the floor.......you get the idea.   [smiley=beerchug.gif]

We'll have to get Joel to send pics of his place.  

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2004, 07:25:37 AM »
Kevin sez: But it would be soooo cool to have and use a pan from the turn of the last century.

My sentiments exactly Kevin. I've settled on the Slant Erie's to fill that bill. They were made up until 1909. I have collected the #3 through #12 and regulary use most of them. Two #8's a #3, #7, #9, #10 and a #12 are hanging over my stove for daily (if I cooked every day ;D) use. I use the #3 for killer egg sandwiches.

The common sizes in this line are easy to find and inexpensive enough to become your users. I've begun un-collecting some (just some mind you) of my other skillets and such to concentrate on getting more quality pieces that I really want. Cast iron turns out to be the most interesting collecting hobby I've ever been involved in. I love cooking in it and love the quality of the old iron.  Not to mention the quality of the people I've met (albeit  mostly electronically) involved in the "sport".

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Re: What is meant by "pits"
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 12:22:44 PM »
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It's a slippery slope...


Kevin, you've got one foot on the slope and one foot on a bannana peel.  LOL  Just try to hang the cast iron on the weight bearing walls, as they will be sturdier, and less likely to collapse.  ;)
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