Author Topic: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern  (Read 26016 times)

Offline Jerry Cermack

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2003, 12:04:15 PM »
Steve,
I have no idea what the material is that fills the old logo and lettering?....but as you can see, the new lettering and small logo has been cut into the brass skillet very precisely.

The pour spouts look diff color in pics but in person, I believe they are brass too.

I was not able to measure the skillet and I do not own it.  It is for sale and hanging on a wall in an antique store where I took the pictures and I dont believe it has ever been offered on Ebay.


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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2003, 12:24:25 PM »
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Steve,
I dont believe it has ever been offered on Ebay.

I was thinking about another Griswold "master pattern" or prototype  that was on ebay last year.  Can't think what that piece was.
Steve

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2003, 12:36:02 PM »
I'm not sure if I added the supposed history of this piece. I was told by the owners, that this was taken home by a man who worked for Griswold and after he died, his wife brought it to light.  It was also co-owned for an investment, but one of the owners has died I think?

I was told someone (Doctor) offered them $5000 for it after the St. Louis convention, but they wouldnt sell it?....I would have  :D :D :D
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2003, 12:59:07 PM »
I've seen a pix of Dr. Joe Noto holding that skillet I believe.

The master that you remember Steve, is a #5 scotch bowl.

                                            Yes Greg, that was the piece.
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2004, 07:24:06 PM »
The man that had this brass #13 skillet pattern has sold it.  I wonder if it will show up on Ebay or a collector bought it?
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2004, 05:12:37 PM »
I've done the lost wax jewlery casting in gold and silver and there is little comparison other than the molting metal ran into a cavity, then cooled.  In the lost wax the metal is centrifugally injected in the mold and as far as I know the Cast Iron is poured in with out force.  If you tried to compress green or anyother sand around the wax pattern under pressure, you'd have lots of little sand indentions in the mold, as the sand would sink into the wax.  I guess the big difference is the jewlery casting is exactly the same size as the wax pattern and the cast iron one shrinks down from the original mold size.  No pressure is used to form the mold around the wax pattern, they use a plaster (investment) subastnce that dries like plaster.  Also casting iron is a whole lot more crude than in jewlry (lost wax casting).  You have to really clean up a cast iron casting, but in jewlery casting you just cut the sprue off the finished jewlery and pollish that spot and buff the rest to make it shiny, but as a whole the lost wax is more intricate, but slower than the casting made off a metal pattern.  Just my 2.5 cents worth of chatter.  John
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2004, 09:23:16 AM »
Larry Foxx has shown a piece that he calls a Master Pattern. It is a long Griddle and it is very shiney and looks like brass. Could this be the same thing tarnished? I know he has had it at a convention and I have seen it at his home as well. If nothing else it's interesting.

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2004, 05:45:12 PM »
Wouldn't something like this 13 skillet and the iron and brass scotch bowl be called "prototypes"?   Once made they could be turned over to the pattern maker to make a pattern.

Steve

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2005, 04:45:38 PM »
Well, like all things the 13 pattern has found its way to e-bay.
Harry
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2005, 05:05:58 PM »
that did not take long!!
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2005, 09:59:11 PM »
Hi, everyone -

I am the person who listed the infamous #13 Griswold plug, pattern, mold or whatever (I'm not sure either, LOL) on eBay.  I listed it for the owners, but had lots of questions about it which is how I ended up here at your great site.  The owners are adamant that this item is worth the listing price or more.  I've shared the "it's only worth what someone is willing to pay" philosophy, but they are sticking to their guns.  I truly don't know.  What do you guys think?  Thanks for your help.  Super web site,  by the way!  Glad I found it.  

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2005, 10:15:15 PM »
Hi Lisa,
I'm glad you found us.  I've modified your profile so your real name shows on posts as that is required.

I've never seen this pattern, prototype, or whatever it is.  I'm convinced that it is a real piece made by Griswold, probably during the 1940's.  I would call it a prototype which might be sent to the patternmaker so he could make a pattern to match the prototype.  (You need a proper pattern for mass production).  Just how Griswold made up this piece I don't know but I might assume that they cast a piece in brass from an original, large TM pattern, then modified the prototype piece by brazing on the handle which is a newer design than the original pattern had and also engraving the new small TM and other markings on the prototype while filling in the older markings (large TM, etc.)

As to worth, the starting price doesn't seem out of line but I don't think anyone but a willing buyer and your seller can really determine the worth or actuall price that the piece will sell for.  There are those who might value this one-of-a-kind piece which, in previous production form, is already a hard to find, in demand, and expensive piece.  But it's not a piece of iron cookware so it might take a special buyer or several people to value it highly enough to pay the going price.  Only time will tell if it will sell.  What I've said is only my opinion about the piece.  I hope others will chime in and give their opinions.  Definitely a very rare, very interesting piece but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is worth the asking bid or anywhere close.

Steve
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2005, 10:24:54 PM »
Thanks for fixing me up, Steve!  You're exactly right.  Only time will tell.  Since I know absolutely nothing about this area of collectibles, I was a little taken aback by their asking price.  Thus the search for more information.  I really do hope others will share their opinion.  Thanks again!!!

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2005, 10:37:37 PM »
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I was a little taken aback by their asking price.  

It may seem high (and might be) but I've seen Griswold skillets sell in the $2500 to 6500 range.  This is rarer than any of them but not necessarily worth more.

Steve

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2005, 11:03:12 PM »
Update:  Just got an offer of $4600.00 if I will add it as a Buy It Now option.  The owners say sell, so I guess the auction may be over sooner than we thought.  We shall see!

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2005, 04:45:40 AM »
Sounds like Nick will get another one ended early.

Just checked and I'm right.

Got to leave for my flight or I'd say more....nah
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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2005, 08:50:12 AM »
LOL!  I was just going to say the same thing.   ;D

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2005, 08:55:20 AM »
Is this something he makes a habit of doing?

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2005, 11:33:13 AM »
Hi Lisa, Yes Nick does this on a regular basis, a pratice most of us think is less than honorable notwithstanding it is not against ebay's rules if you can "talk" the seller into it.

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Re: Griswold #13 Skillet Brass Pattern
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2005, 05:20:28 PM »
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Is this something he makes a habit of doing?



Yep Lisa.   You are the fool for falling for it. [smiley=hysterical.gif]   I think it would have went allot higher.


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