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Offline Dwayne Henson

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Camp Oven Lid
« on: October 28, 2005, 06:51:03 PM »
Trying to find out the manufacturer of this lid. The handle appears cracked, but is not. The 14 is sharp, but crude. Under the 14 is a L and a X, above the 14 is a light 3. The bottom appears just like a Lodge with no markings. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 12:19:49 PM »
The only thing that doesn't appear Lodge here is the handle. However, I suspect Lodge tried this type of handle at some point. I can't say for sure but I suspect it is Lodge.  
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2005, 10:54:52 PM »
Troy, thanks for the confirming what I thought. You're right that everything else looks just like Lodge. Just as thick, same rim, just the handle is different. That handle is so tall, you can't even stack the Camp Ovens.  I wish one could tell in Lodge's evolution where this lid fit in. The closer I look, the more variation's I find. For example a friend has a #12 Camp Oven and the  lid is half as thick as a normal lid. I first noticed it when I picked it up, due to it's light weight, but design wise looks the same. Thanks Troy
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2005, 11:14:00 PM »
The handle I have not seen before, but the number 14 reminds me of the Lodge number 14 skillets that have the (US) marks that people list as Calvary skillets on ebay.  I wonder if this camp oven is from that time period.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 11:53:45 PM »
Are these cavalry skillets listed in any books? I don't remember them, in the Red or Blue books, but I will look again. Thanks for the info Roger.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 12:34:29 AM »
Dwayne, that's the description they say on ebay.  The skillets had nothing to do with the calvary.  They have what looks like a giant parenthesis around US under a number 14.  People make up descriptions to try to sell them.  I've seen several described that way.  I believe they date in the 50's or 60's, but others may know better.  They aren't listed in the red or blue book.  If I find one on ebay, I'll post a link.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 08:06:30 AM »
Thank you, There is just so much to learn.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2005, 02:27:52 PM »
Yeah the (US) #14's are Lodge and were not made for the military. They were just indicating they were made here. I got that from Billie who worked there in the 50's when they did it.

I wanted to also mention that that handle has been spotted on other pieces that are thought to be Lodge. If I remember right the oval roaster that Brian had at the convention was a handle like this and most thought that was Lodge.

I'm not convinced that either this or the roaster are Lodge but there is a good chance.

Possible? Yes
Probable? I just don't know for sure.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2005, 05:29:20 AM »
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Donna Myers bought that oval roaster from me on ebay. John had one almost identical that is lodge. Minor differances, No 1/4 sized letter under the lid. Casting not quite as good around the little tips under lid.
Lodge oval roaster says oval on one side of lid  roaster on other side.My roaster said oval roaster on same side.

John Myers says the one Donna bought( the one I had at the convention) is Likely birmingham stove and range. John says he would not bet more than he could afford to lose on that. But is his best guess. If John knows anything about iron its about lids. Likely he is right on the roaster I had!
also Donna cooked A hen in the roaster she bought from me and says it is A super user. And that the seasoning held up really well. I was tickled to here that about the seasoning. I like to do it that way mostly because it turns the iron jet black. Good to know it cooks as good as it looks!
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2005, 09:08:40 AM »
So Brian, what is your opinion on the handle of the roaster you sold John and Donna? Is it the same style as on this lid?
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2005, 09:39:10 AM »
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The only thing that doesn't appear Lodge here is the handle. However, I suspect Lodge tried this type of handle at some point. I can't say for sure but I suspect it is Lodge.  

I saw a skillet lid over the weekend that had this identical handle style, but the lid in every other respect appeared to be Lodge.  Flat top and the basting nibs.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2005, 05:20:52 PM »
Troy
Almost! But not the same! the one on the roaster was not as square looking.
But they are close.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2005, 08:40:54 PM »
Troy did someone say Lodge chuckwagen lid # 12 fit a Griswold, or and Wagner #10 chuckwagen bottom ?  :( what I know I keep forgetting. What size is that cover?
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2005, 09:54:01 PM »
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A #12 Lodge Camp Oven Lid will fit a #10 Griswold or Wagner Camp Oven Bottom. In fact the lid fits very well, nice and tight.

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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2005, 09:54:05 AM »
Clark,
 What he said.

 There was a post during the convention that someone had found a bunch of #12 griswold CO's. I think it was #10's with Lodge #12 lids.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2005, 07:20:23 PM »
Yeah Troy, you are correct, I'm the one that had egg on his face, I thought I'd found Griswold's #12's because of the Lodge #12 Lids that fit so well. They were in fact #10 Griswold's made by Wagner. In fact I have 2 of them #10 Griswold by Wagner bottoms, with #12 Lodge Lids here at the house. I'm cleaning them up for the Girl Scout Council, getting ready for the next summers activities.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2005, 07:48:11 PM »
If that #14 lid (measure it) fits a Griswold #14 bottom than it is not a Lodge, if it does not than  ;D  ;D who knows, lets start all over again.
Question, it's strange that the numbering (size) of the camp ovens would be different, Lodge, Griswold, Wagner and outher?
Ok a 12 may not fit a 12 (different Co. ) and a 10 would fit a  12  ::)  whatever?
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2005, 07:51:33 PM »
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If that #14 lid (measure it) fits a Griswold #14 bottom than it is not a Lodge, if it does not than  ;D  ;D who knows, lets start all over again.
Question, it's strange that the numbering (size) of the camp ovens would be different, Lodge, Griswold, Wagner and outher?
Ok a 12 may not fit a 12 (different Co. ) and a 10 would fit a  12  ::)  whatever?
clark

Clark, I agree with you. Its clear as mud. As a rule of thumb, when you buy a dutch oven, make sure you get a lid that fits it.
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2005, 08:54:47 PM »
This 14 lid will fit on a Lodge 14 CO, but I was wanting to find who was the manufacturer if possible.  I wasn't sure if it was Lodge or not.  It was found seperate, without an oven.

What is causing all the confusion is that manufacturers measured different areas for their numbers.
Griswold #10- 10" acrost the inside of the bottom of the CO
                     11 7/8" acrost the top, inside measurement
  Lodge #12 - 11 7/8" acrost the top, inside measurement
                      9 1/2" acrost the inside of the bottom of the CO

So a #12 Lodge Lid fits a #10 Griswold/Wagner like a glove.
To further confuse, I've seen a #12 Martin and it is noticeable smaller than the #10 Griswold, or the #12 Lodge. In this photo the small CO on the far end is a Martin #12, all the rest are Griswolds #10 with lodge 12 lids.


                    
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Re: Camp Oven Lid
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2005, 07:54:26 AM »
I just love that pix!!
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