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« on: November 03, 2007, 08:15:18 PM »
Wagner, Griswald, Erie or other 3 footed pot, no.6 or no.7 wanted. DL Brant
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Re: wanted item
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 08:18:46 PM »
Is this for a water drum?

We know that #7 sell for $150+ and #6 $350++++   They are very expensive!!!!

Sorry,  I don't have any.  Sold my last #7 for $250


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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 08:04:48 AM »
Do not know if this is close to what you are hunting. I have a Sidney Holloware Co. Sidney O #8,3 leggedl pot w/wire handle,one pour spout. No pitting. very clean. will send pictures if interested. Make offer if interested. THANK YOU
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 09:05:32 AM »
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Do not know if this is close to what you are hunting. I have a Sidney Holloware Co. Sidney O #8,3 leggedl pot w/wire handle,one pour spout. No pitting. very clean. will send pictures if interested. Make offer if interested. THANK YOU


He is only looking for #6 and #7 kettles.   No #8 or #9


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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 12:33:46 PM »
Sounds like some nice old iron may be getting turned into water drums.... >:( >:(
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 12:39:19 PM »
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Sounds like some nice old iron may be getting turned into water drums.... >:( >:(


Scott, I'm with you. You got any more of them shooting irons you can loan me? This waste of good iron makes me want to go on the warpath.  >:(
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 12:48:00 PM »
I asked on another thread what Daniel is using these 6's and 7's for, but never got an answer back......mighty mysterious to me.  One would hope that they are not being destroyed... :( :(

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 09:28:14 AM »
Sorry to butt in...

<BUTT> what exactly does it mean to turn a CI pot into a water drum??? An iron pot hardly sounds like the choice vessel to store water in.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 09:46:12 AM »
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Sorry to butt in...

<BUTT> what exactly does it mean to turn a CI pot into a water drum??? An iron pot hardly sounds like the choice vessel to store water in.


Jeremy, you ain't buttin in. Please feel free to jump in any time on any thread, the more the merrier. And we are talking about a musical instrument here, not a storage drum. They cut the ears of the kettles and make them smooth all the way around, and then put some water in them, and then stretch a raw hide cover on it, stretched of course, and then the little legs on the bottom of the kettle, they use them to tie the leather ties to to hold the top in place, and then it dries out, and how long the water stays in there until it evaporates or whatever I don't know, BUT, as you can see from my description, you have to destroy the piece to make the drum, hence the controversy between cast iron collectors and Indian drum hunters. I don't know if you saw it or not but we are talking about one such item on another thread, it may be on the members only side, but anyway, it just now sold on ebay for OVER 600.00 dollars, so dealers are looking for these kettles, to sell them to the Indians on ebay, you may find all that hard to believe, BUT, HONEST INJUN
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 10:16:43 AM »
This was probably answered in another thread...so excuse me if repeating...but why are only the sizes 6 or 7 being used for these drums, and not the other sizes?       Judy
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 01:21:01 PM »
I might be wrong, but I think it has to do with the physical size of the kettle/pot and the weight.  May have something to do with the quality of the sound produced by the drum also, but not sure.  It seems like sometime in the past Jerry gave a good description along with some pictures.....may be on the Dark Side though.

Scott
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 05:06:34 PM »
Just to let everyone know that is going to sell your #6 or #7 kettles to Daniel Brant.   He is going to turn them into water drums.   Here is his reply to me.


Hi Will, Yes Water Drum. Can you tell me, Erie made a no7, Wagner made a no6, did Griswald make a 6 or 7? If the pot is properly marked as an Erie, Wagner or Griswald I can see the price mark up, but that price for a generic pot is priced out of the market. The quality of the metal is important to one who really knows water drums, has the right ring and all that. I hope cast iron people do not look at church people as marks and inflate prices without looking at the quality of the pot as a potential inst,rument when considering sales. A fine drum pot is very well seasoned, made thin in construction and has a beautiful ring to it when you tap it. A good potential drum pot is worth something. Ones newly cast for that purpose run from $100-$160 cast in iron, steel and or brass, but a quality older pot has so much more potential. I have an Erie 7 for 25 years and a wagner 6 for 5. Paid $15 and $45. I need to, however impress a Sioux with a very good drum pot and am looking in quality places. Thats the story so to speak. If you come across some information or a quality pot let me know. Sincerely Dan
 


Just to let you know,  #7's are selling for $250+++  and #6's are selling for $500+++++



Will 8-)
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 05:51:53 PM »
According to ancient Indian lore the brave designated to carry the drums held the most sacred position within the tribe. And the more drums that he could carry, the bigger his self-esteem and therefore his place of honor was higher within the tribe. And this tradition carries on today. SO, the brave can carry more number 6 and 7 drums than he can carry number 8 or 9 drums, thus the greater value of the number 6 and 7 drums as opposed to the 8 or 9 drums. Now if you are believing this, please contact me for some land sales. I am currently liquidating three Sioux Reservations and two Apache Reservations. Minimum purchase is 40 acres with approved credit. I still have plenty of tracts with good road frontage and they won't last long. I have received this appointment from the United States Department of the Interior and Exterior.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2007, 06:40:21 PM »
Thanks for posting that Will.  Now the turth be known.  There will be no more gouging of church people now, ya'll hear.  Best keep your 6's and 7's well protected.  Let em use the newly cast ones instead of the old iron.... >:( >:(

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2007, 07:00:12 PM »
Thanks CPR! You started my day off with a laugh and ended it with one, and there was a great one in between! [smiley=roflmao.gif]
Thanks! I needed that!!
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 09:59:18 PM »
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I might be wrong, but I think it has to do with the physical size of the kettle/pot and the weight.  May have something to do with the quality of the sound produced by the drum also, but not sure.  It seems like sometime in the past Jerry gave a good description along with some pictures.....may be on the Dark Side though.

Scott
Scott, I did post some information on them.  They like the #6's & 7's due to the size and weight....especially the older lighter cast pots....just like older thinner cast skillets.  The reason I was told, was because when they meet and sing, they pass the drum around and they each drum while the other sings.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007, 10:13:34 PM »
Jerry, now your story about the size 6 and 7 drums/kettles vs the 8 and 9 drums/kettles sounds good and all, and don't get me wrong, I like it, BUT, if its all the same with you, I'm stickin with my story?
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 09:00:12 AM »
I'll buy Jerry's explanation, but I'll give Perry A+ for creativity.  ;) :)    
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 09:39:19 AM »
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I'll buy Jerry's explanation, but I'll give Perry A+ for creativity.  ;) :)    


Thank you teacher Judy.  :)
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 06:18:10 PM »
The Native American was not priviy to many types of pots, he made most of his own and certainly not cast Iron. The water drum "In the Beginning" was made from trees native to the area or clay pots with a stomach streched over it, it was/is a common drum in North and South America as well as Africa. Sound to me that the use a Cast Iron pot is a short cut by some wanna bees. If you want to be like our ancestors (I do have Native American Blood) do it the old fashion way. I have attatched a photo to those that really want a short cut to a nice water drum
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