OK, Out of the lye and this is what we can see, The number 8 has a dot after it and at the top(12 o:clock position on bottom) I can see the letter W and several other letters after that but they are basically unreadable, But here is the thing, The letter W is not impressed into the bottom it is raised. I have included some pics I don't know how see able it is though. The first pics are from the top with close ups of the bail ears, to me they def look Wagner just do not know from what era