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Offline Tom Reisdorf

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2018, 08:58:46 PM »
Jerry and Tom,
Thanks for sharing, I so enjoy learning something new about  cast iron, interesting that they remodeled and reused the patterns. Seeing that picture makes me wonder why they decided to downsize their logo to the less attractive small logo.

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2018, 01:06:11 AM »
So....is the consensus that the ebay ghost marked 378 is legit based on the #13 skillet change verified by a previous Griswold pattern designer?  Are we saying that the unmarked 378/379 skillets are indeed prototypes - perhaps removed from the factory from employees and sold on the black market???

Would make a great story! :-/
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 01:14:56 AM by Ironhead »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2018, 01:12:10 AM »
The seller of the 378 skillet on ebay was fruitbasketmaniac from Knoxville, TN (with 100% feedback rating)  Not sure if he/she is on this board.  I tried contacting the seller through ebay and have yet to get a response.  Just to preserve the ebay auction description..



"This is a extremely rare and currently uncatalogued Griswold Skillet. It has # 378 on the underside.

It is in very, very good condition. No chips or cracks.

I have not, and do not know anyone who has ever seen another.

I am including the #8 Skillet that I found many, many years ago with the 378 ghost mark. This also is a skillet that I have not, and do not know anyone to have ever seen another. If provides undeniable proof that this 378 is genuine Griswold!!, and predates this smooth large Logo skillet!!!!"
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 01:14:21 AM by Ironhead »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2018, 01:49:31 AM »
Oh.. wonderful... Fruitbasketmaniac... the name should tell you something... LOL.


What I have learned...

Take a deep breath....

Sit back... watch...

and learn....

Sometimes the answers to what we DO NOT KNOW may take years to figure out...

I don't think that even the experts will arrive at a consensus on this one...

Anytime in the near future...

I don't know...
I may have an opinion...

but only TIME will tell..


Luv and kisses...   :)

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2018, 01:50:46 AM »
Hold on to it...

Put in the 'Special" to be determined box...

And wait for the answers down the road.. :)

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2018, 08:06:22 AM »
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Hold on to it...

Put in the 'Special" to be determined box...

And wait for the answers down the road.. :)
Thanks Cheryl,
That's what I told my friend.

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2018, 09:35:42 AM »
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So....is the consensus that the ebay ghost marked 378 is legit based on the #13 skillet change verified by a previous Griswold pattern designer?  Are we saying that the unmarked 378/379 skillets are indeed prototypes - perhaps removed from the factory from employees and sold on the black market???

Would make a great story! :-/

It would be a good story, but I, personally, don't see any reasonable evidence that these markings have any relationship to Griswold.  The discussion about the master pattern was just in relation to how a ghost might or might not be produced.  Again, just my opinion, but the "ghost" on the Griswold pan just doesn't look right to me.

Tom

(as Cheryl said, something to set aside and watch for something more definitive in the coming years.)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 09:37:07 AM by tomnn2000 »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2018, 10:53:24 AM »
Figured I should post a couple pictures of what I think ghosts should look like.  The first pictures shows a Griswold finger hinge paddle fully marked with the patents.  The top picture is a Griswold Victor scissor hinge (scissor followed finger).  You can see faint ghosting of the patent numbers on the Victor paddle.  You would never know exactly what it says unless you have the early version to compare with.

Note how the ghost is "soft" looking and not at all consistent - some portions you can make out, others not.  That's evidence of a softer filler material coming out in an uneven manner.

The next picture is a plett pan, made most likely in the 1970s at the Wagner Sidney Foundry.  The pan should just say "Made In USA", but there is a ghost of the Griswold logo in the center and up on the top two cups, NO, and on the right, 34 (not showing on this pan).

The next picture shows this plett pan before they removed the markings and replaced it with Made In USA.  Again a Sidney product.

And one last, and my favorite, ghost.  Ghosting of the Griswold markings on an aluminum waffle iron made by TACU (The Aluminum Cooking Utensil Co.).  Griswold had them make some of their aluminum products, but this is after, when TACU went out on their own.  Now this ghost does exhibit some clear lettering, similar to the 378 ghost, but overall, it is soft and uneven.

I'm still of the opinion the 378 ghost on the Griswold skillet is "off".

You can click on the images to view them larger.

Tom

p.s.  As is always the case, just my opinion  ;)



Compare this to the ghost on the eBay item.

« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 10:54:31 AM by tomnn2000 »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2018, 03:48:47 PM »
Will do...thanks for all the advise!

Maybe we can revive this thread in another 10-13yrs and see if there is anymore info floating around on the WWW..... ;)
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 01:34:35 AM by Ironhead »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2018, 11:12:16 PM »
Just had one other ghostly thought.

If they show because material has been pushed out of the filled in pattern, it would seem that a ghost should be below the finished surface.

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2018, 10:22:53 AM »
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Here is the pic from the "ghost marking" 378 on the ebay griswold

Craig........Was the picture you posted of a Griswold with the 378 on it a recent Ebay auction?
Jerry

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2018, 04:57:25 PM »
The first auction ended July 2, 2017
Item# 201964680850
Title: Extremely Rare Uncatalogued Griswold 378 Iron Skillet With Proof Skillet

The relisting also ended without any bidders on July 10, 2017
Item# 201975075470

The images are removed from ebay, however, did appear on google when doing an image search...here is the link:

http://cast-iron-cookware.net/extremely-rare-uncatalogued-griswold-378-iron-skillet-with-proof-skillet.php
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 06:03:32 PM by Ironhead »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2018, 09:08:55 PM »
Thanks Craig!!!   I was just wanting to see all the pictures if possible.  The skillet surely looks like a real Griswold. It appears to be the same number 378 style as the no name skillet with just 378 on it. The 378 I had several years ago was every bit as nice as a marked Griswold including ground and polished inside.
If the no name 378 was made by Griswold, they had the 378 pattern, and they used some type of filler to fill the 378 that somehow left that ghost imprint.
This mystery will more than likely never be solved.
Jerry

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2018, 12:47:00 AM »
Jerry,  Do you still have yours (from your original post)?  If so, that is 3 that we know about....

I doubt mine is the ebay one, as mine needs to be cleaned and seasoned.

I purchased mine this month while vacationing in St. George, UT.  It was in a store, where the owner is a realtor, and buys up lots from estate sales of her clients. 

I am still reaching out to the ebay seller to 'pick their brain' on this....they are still active on ebay.  If I hear anything back, I will update the post.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2018, 12:53:39 AM by Ironhead »

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2018, 09:00:28 AM »
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Jerry,  Do you still have yours (from your original post)?  If so, that is 3 that we know about.....

No, I don't have the 378 from 2005.  I might still have pictures of it.  I'll dig back through my old Computer records and see.

Revision:  I have searched back through my Computer backups to 2000 and I dont have the 378 pictures I posted on here in 2005......sorry!
« Last Edit: August 29, 2018, 10:54:30 AM by Jerry_Cermack »
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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2018, 11:42:43 AM »
Here are a few more of my 378 (prior to cleaning)...just for future posterity  :)

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2018, 11:43:47 AM »
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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2018, 11:44:53 AM »
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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2018, 09:59:48 PM »
Here's one that just sold a couple weeks ago with the ghost.  Seller says it felt raised.  That would be weird. Wonder if they mistook a slight depression for a raised feel.

As more show up it would argue very well for the 378 being a Griswold unmarked product.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Griswold-8-Skillet-Large-Block-Logo-704-J-/132738873549?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137

Not going to last very long in retirement for the sale price.

Tom

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Re: Unmarked Skillet #378
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2018, 06:20:03 AM »
When looking at the photo it actually looks slightly raised